Google announces Gemini 4 Carbon, but cyber defenders get it first
Google DeepMind announced Gemini 4 Carbon, which it calls its strongest model, aimed at long-running coding work and cybersecurity. Google reports 88.2% on SEC-bench Pro for finding vulnerabilities, 71.0% on CWE-bench for patching, and about half as many unsupported claims as Gemini 4 Argon in its internal testing. It is not generally available yet: a small group of cyber defenders gets access this week, and Google says developers, businesses and consumers will get it as soon as possible. Introductory pricing matches Argon at $2 per million input tokens and $10 per million output tokens, rising to $4 and $20 after the introductory period.
On Hacker News (781 points, 640 comments), we read the first 25 top-level comments: 7 were confused by the naming and whether Carbon replaces Argon, 3 complained that Google announced a model people cannot use yet, 3 pointed out Carbon was not yet showing on the Artificial Analysis page Google cited, and 2 praised the price. No consensus on quality, since almost nobody had tried it.
Sorted take: every number here is Google's own and the model is not open to most people, so treat this as a preview, not a reason to switch.
Why it matters: If you use Gemini for coding or security reviews, Carbon may do more for the same price as Argon once it opens up. Until then, keep what works and test Carbon on one real task when access arrives.
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